Majiculations, Machicolations or Bartizans?

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Where: 5-7 The Demense, Co. Cork, Ireland

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Fortified house (majiculations at Corner) 1 bay deep, adjoining ivy grown building of same height

This is Monkstown Castle, Monkstown Co.Cork, the location was identified courtesy of derangedlemur

sharon.corbet suggests machicolations rather than majiculations.

A machicolation (French, machicoulis) is a floor opening between the supporting corbels of a battlement, through which stones, or other objects, could be dropped on attackers at the base of a defensive wall.

In another one of Sharons links (NIAH) they are called, Bartizans - "gabled towers with corner bartizans to each corner"

Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: The Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_1608

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:33:24

    I came across this one recently while looking for something else. Now, if only I could remember where or what...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:34:41

    It's a "Machicolation" rather than majiculation, if anyone else was trying to find out what it was... (Google was no help on this one.)

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:34:44

    One of the Cork or Limerick ones, I think...

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:39:43

    Monkstown Castle, Cork.

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:40:53

    OSI: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,576534,566274,12,9

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:43:23

    Overhead: www.google.ie/maps/@51.8481377,-8.3415552,174m/data=!3m1!1e3

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:44:55

    Streetview won't go there but there's a picture: www.google.ie/maps/@51.847852,-8.340388,3a,75y,90t/data=!...

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:46:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Given what those are, "micturations at corner" would also be appropriate.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:52:12

    It was/is being restored (last update 2010), and there are floorplans and photos of the progress of the restoration on the website.

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    John Spooner

    • 18/Jun/2015 06:56:29

    "Ivy and stone break into song" Manchester Times, Saturday, December 15, 1883WO1_MRTM_1883_12_15_S-0002-F

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:00:38

    "Monkstown Castle was built in 1636. Dame Anastasia (Gould) Archdeacon had the castle built for her husband, John Archdeacon, while he was working as an officer in the wars of King Philip of Spain. There is a story told that when John returned, he thought the castle had been built by the enemy and fired a cannon at it. It is believed locally that the castle cost only four pence (4d.) to build. Dame Archdeacon was a lady of remarkable business acumen whose family were merchant princes of Cork. While she would have had considerable wealth herself, wages at the time were low, the large estate associated with the site could produce any food that the workers needed and limestone and timber for the construction was available on the land. It is said that she gave her workers food and lodgings, the price of which she deducted from their wages. She also ran a shop, believed to be mid-way in Castle Terrace, from which her workers were expected to buy all their additional requirements. When the castle was finished, she added up the cost of the building, took away the profit she had made in the shop and the result was that the castle had cost only 4d." From here.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:09:44

    NIAH entry.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:10:44

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Bargain!

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:12:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] Assuming the "mullioned windows" bit isn't artistic license, that would be Cork rather than Dublin, alright. The other Monkstown Castle is a bit more medieval and functional looking, and at this stage certainly has no divided windows: www.megalithicireland.com/Monkstown%20Castle,%20Dublin.html.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:37:08

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well done young man.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jun/2015 07:38:33

    Out of interest the Port Soderic photo was selected by Flickr Explore today.

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    O Mac

    • 18/Jun/2015 08:13:39

    Mr Lawrence himself knew where this castle was...the messer!! Our bowler hatted friend seen here again gawking at four flying smudges. www.nli.ie/glassplates/L_CAB/L_CAB_00521.jpg

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    deannalouh

    • 18/Jun/2015 08:13:54

    Really cool history and picture

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Jun/2015 08:21:19

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Is this another example of the STP and Lawrence Collection having photos that could have been taken on the same day?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 18/Jun/2015 09:10:31

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That other Lawrence photo is the same one as on the castle website - www.monkstowncastle.com/Monkstown_castle_history.htm . If the were taken on the same day, the shadow of the gable and chimney in the middle shows there was a bit of time between 'takes'. I am not sure which might have been first ...

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    derangedlemur

    • 18/Jun/2015 09:25:20

    I'd stay off the castle website, guys. It seems to be full of malware. At least, my security system has had a fit over it.

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    O Mac

    • 18/Jun/2015 09:37:59

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Even in Cork the sun sets in the West so todays photograph would have been taken maybe an hour or so earlier than the "Lawrence" one linked. The "Lawrence" one was originally a STP. He just made another plate from one half of the pair.

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    RETRO STU

    • 18/Jun/2015 10:35:25

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] She ran her shop using the Truck System. www.thefreedictionary.com/Truck+shop

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jun/2015 20:59:23

    This photo has just made it into our 50,000+ Album [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/9142227830/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037]