Movember's Finest!

Download this image

More from this collection

Related by Where

Support Pastpin!

Where: 12-20 Blake's Ln, Waterford, Ireland

When: 03 November 1899

(And these finely moustachioed gentlemen were actually photographed in November of 1899!)

There's a wee mystery here. Most of these chaps are either tradesmen and/or members of the 3rd Division, Ambulance (probably in Waterford)? Could that have been a voluntary body? What say you, Flickroonies?

Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford

Date: Friday, 3 November 1899

NLI Ref.: POOLEIMP 682

This photograph features in our Working Lives, 1893-1913 exhibition at the National Photographic Archive in Temple Bar, Dublin.

Info:

Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source: Flickr Commons
Views: 57580
workinglivesexhibition men moustaches beards movember dog terrier caps uniforms suits ties bowlerhats foragecaps collars waistcoats pillboxhat chinstrap sergeant 19thcentury friday 3rd november 1899 1890s ambulance 3rddivision ahpoole arthurhenripoole poolecollection glassnegative nationallibraryofireland saddlemakerbadge chevrons artificerbadge royalfieldartillery artillerybarracks waterford ireland munster boerwar victorian

Add Tags
  • profile

    DannyM8

    • 25/Nov/2013 08:57:33

    There is a little dog

  • profile

    beachcomberaustralia

    • 25/Nov/2013 08:59:03

    Does the dog have a mo too?

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:00:13

    Hard to say if they're military or not. The military jackets look genuine but their wearers seem fairly scruffy. When did Army Bargains first open?

  • profile

    DannyM8

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:02:58

    The young man on the top left is a conscientious objector

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:03:21

    The photo before this is the 3rd Division Ambulance, which makes more sense than 3rd Ambulance Division.

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:08:25

    [http:[email protected]] Now changed to 3rd Division, Ambulance - thank you.

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:17:18

    [http:[email protected]] Ambulance is where conshies generally ended up, but how can you tell?

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:19:25

    The tradesmen may just be matey with the Ambulance NCOs so they're getting photographed together, or they may be reservists being called up.

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:21:52

    3rd division fought in the boer war. They may be on the point of being shipped out in this picture.

  • profile

    DannyM8

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:25:04

    [http:[email protected]] Only one with no Mo!

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:25:49

    [http:[email protected]] Ah. A Mobjector.

  • profile

    DannyM8

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:27:42

    [http:[email protected]] Exactly

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:32:01

    Can I ask, are all of you having problems with the Flickr map? I haven't been able to add a photo directly since about last Tuesday - just keeping getting that error message: D'oh. The map could not be loaded. Please try later

  • profile

    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:37:24

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I just tried adding a photo to the map, and it worked. The sequence has changed because this "new experience" Beta page doesn't work, but it kicked me over to the old Organizr page, which worked fine.

  • profile

    beachcomberaustralia

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:50:15

    The moustache is the evolutionary next level to enlightenment. - Oscar Wilde I wonder what he meant by that? Does anyone know?

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:51:41

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] No, but I can imagine him smiling away at people puzzled about it a century later! :)

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 09:55:08

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Thanks Niall. Have to search by name on the full Organizr map, don't you? I don't think Lat and Long co-ordinates work there. Not to worry.

  • profile

    whatsthatpicture

    • 25/Nov/2013 10:16:47

    Nice one! I may regret posting this here, but each November I donate 10p for every 'view' of this image of mine (which is getting rather expensive with the way Flickr has changed its stats reporting!) ... [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/6345660978/]

  • profile

    beachcomberaustralia

    • 25/Nov/2013 10:33:31

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] Ha! Never mind, it's only mo-ney ... [clicks the refresh button a couple of hundred times ... ]

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 10:38:28

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] Lovely idea, James! And you, [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia], the words buachaill dána were invented to describe you... :)

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 11:02:34

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Is it not easier just to tape down F5?

  • profile

    whatsthatpicture

    • 25/Nov/2013 11:41:56

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I'll let you off seeing as you very generously sponsored me on my 5,000 mile challenge (do you miss those monthly emails?!), but don't go giving the others ideas ... argggghhhhh, seeing the response from [http:[email protected]] it's too late ;) [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Thanks Carol (and thanks internet for the translation!). I see you met the lovely Nicole from ANMM last week.

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 11:45:15

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] I did indeed! We had a great chinwag about life, the universe, and everything - plus a bit about Flickr. :)

  • profile

    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 25/Nov/2013 12:44:55

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Whats this? I thought Flickr was life, the universe and everything:-) Great shot but unless a name is found then it is unlikely that there will be much progress in identifying the rest or the circumstances. That young lad without the Mo looks really cheesed off to be the outsider:-)

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 13:23:37

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] If you check catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000035934, one of the sergeants may be Sergeant Emerson. I haven't had time to look in detail myself.

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:00:07

    NCO's are Royal Field Artillery and I believe this is probably Waterford's Artillery barracks. The men in civilian clothes might be reservists. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/P_WP_1129/Image?lookfor=http://ww...

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:05:20

    [http:[email protected]] It's the same dog anyway.

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:10:51

    [http:[email protected]/] hadn't spotted the dog, old eyes are not what they used to be.

  • profile

    TEXASJOHN

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:30:58

    The pooch is not a volunteer. LOL

  • profile

    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:53:27

    Another possibility: Waterford Militia as in this archive snapshot.

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:53:49

    The sergeant in the center appears to have a trade badge above his stripes signifying he is an artificer and the lance bombardier with the single chevron on the right looks like he might have a saddle makers badge on his sleeve.

  • profile

    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:55:46

    In 1899 several battalions of the Irish militia were embodied to be sent to South Africa

  • profile

    Niall McAuley

    • 25/Nov/2013 14:58:52

    Waterford Royal Garrison Artillery (Militia)

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 15:06:45

    So if they're garrison artillery (as they appear to be), where did 3rd division ambulance come from? The garrison artillery wouldn't be attached to a division. Also, I think the ambulances were only taken off the regiments and attached to division towards the end of the Boer war as part of Kitchener's reforms (the ones that got him nicknamed K of Chaos), so if they were ambulance, they'd be such and such regiment ambulance, 3rd division.

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 25/Nov/2013 15:11:31

    The sergeant on the left wearing spurs is definitely Royal Field Artillery, impossible to say really who the men in civilian clothes were, new recruits or reservists/militia. The photo has a very relaxed unmilitary feel to it.

  • profile

    derangedlemur

    • 25/Nov/2013 15:13:54

    [http:[email protected]] I'm not doubting that they're artillery men - just wondering why [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] thought they were 3rd division ambulance. Was it just because the adjacent photo is?

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 25/Nov/2013 15:17:44

    [http:[email protected]/] Good question, I don't see anything to suggest anything to do with ambulance however at least some of them appear to be tradesmen.

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 25/Nov/2013 17:12:51

    If I've been casting red herrings, it was completely unintentional. All we originally had for this one was tradesmen. But when one of our NPA people did a check for me, he was also finding "Tradesmen group.( plain clothes),3rd Div.Ambulance"...

  • profile

    grytlappar

    • 25/Nov/2013 20:20:28

    It's mustache central!

  • profile

    La Belle Province

    • 26/Nov/2013 00:55:37

    A stash of staches.

  • profile

    ofarrl

    • 27/Nov/2013 01:30:38

    I think its most likely these men are new recruits for the Boer war and tradesmen as the caption in the catalogue states, the sergeant in the middle and the lance bombardier on the back right are both army tradesmen. The other photo in the catalogue titled Officers group, third division, ambulance column shows what I believe are members of the Royal Army Medical Corps at Waterford infantry barracks. They were more then likely with the 5th Brigade, 3rd division under Major General Fitzroy Hart and might be some of the 5 officers and 78 men of the Medical Field Hospital Corps that sailed from Queenstown on the S.S. Servia on Monday, November 6, 1889 bound for South Africa. Composition of the 3rd Division Third Division. Major-General Sir W. F. Gatacre. 5th Brigade (Irish Brigade): Major-General Hart. 1st battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Irish Rifles. 1st battalion Connaught Rangers. 1st battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Supply column (Train Co. No. 30). Litter Bearer Co. No. 16. Field Ambulance No. 10. 6th Brigade (Fusilier Brigade):Major-General Barton. 2d battalion Royal Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers. 1st battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers. Supply column (Train Co. No. 36). Litter Bearer Co. No. 17. Field Ambulance No. 11. 1 squadron 14th Hussars. Field Batteries Nos. 74, 77 and 79 (6 guns each). Ammunition column (1 reserve gun). Field Engineer Co. No. 12. Supply column (Train Co. No. 33). Field Ambulance No. 7.

  • profile

    eyelightfilms

    • 27/Nov/2013 10:46:23

    Those two at the back left are definite troublemakers.

  • profile

    arkelly1001

    • 28/Nov/2013 01:52:29

    These are Gentlemen, Salute!! !

  • profile

    bobgbennett

    • 26/Mar/2014 12:21:25

    There are four uniformed soldiers in the photo, on the left a Sergeant of Royal Field Artillery (see spurs) in undress and on the right, sitting and standing, two more men of the RFA in undress. The Bombardier (one stripe then) is a collar and saddletree maker (see badge of a bit above his rank). The final soldier, standing at centre rear, is a Sergeant Ordnance Artificer of the Army Ordnance Corps (see shield shaped collar badges and his crossed hammer and pincers badge above chevrons). All four soldiers have dark blue uniforms and the decorations on the sleeves (trefoil knots), collar and shoulder straps, are golden yellow.

  • profile

    Rinaldo_

    • 28/Jun/2014 16:09:01

    Fantastic!

  • profile

    Kombizz

    • 03/Feb/2015 06:17:50

    nice one

  • profile

    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Jan/2016 01:17:36

    I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037]