JOHN DUTHIE at anchor, Circular Quay

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Where: 8B Circular Quay W, The Rocks NSW 2000, Australia

When: 01 January 1865

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 17/Oct/2013 11:46:53

    Circular Quay west and The Rocks in the background, from about the northern end of the 'toaster'.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 17/Oct/2013 11:48:11

    Interesting to compare with - [http://www.flickr.com/photos/anmm_thecommons/7799953792]

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 17/Oct/2013 12:05:05

    It seems a strange place to anchor. Anyone have any ideas about the ship?

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    miniopterus

    • 18/Oct/2013 06:37:13

    Pax or Military? She has a line aft to the buoy/caisson, three boats alongside, another next to the foremast. Aft gunports (wardroom?) open, but no other gunports visible. Lastly is that a white ensign on the gaff peak? Might be an important visitor.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 18/Oct/2013 08:17:58

    Woo Hoo! The Great God of Google Speaks Again ... she is the JOHN DUTHIE (built Aberdeen 1864) Somebody [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach] on Flickr recently posted this tip - when using Google Chrome, open the photo in largest size, right click and select "Search Google for this image", which opens a new page with links to the same or similar photos. So when I tried it on this photo this happened - www.google.com.au/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZivIB4ozXClmzNMiuzzV... ... and the first link to this page mcjazz.f2s.com/DuthieShipyards.htm which has this photo plus these details -

    ‘JOHN DUTHIE’ Built 1864. Iron ship of 1031 Tons. Length; 196 ft. Breadth; 34.7 ft. Depth; 21.8 ft. Built by Duthie of Aberdeen for themselves. Master; Captain Levi. She was placed in the Australian passenger trade in which she proved popular. [Passenger liner] Hall, Alex. , & Co. , 40 York st. Hall, Russell & Co., Litn., York street
    Too easy!!

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 18/Oct/2013 08:26:06

    JOHN DUTHIE under sail - Arthur Smith - The Ship John Duthie

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    BobMeade

    • 18/Oct/2013 08:41:04

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] That is a great Google technique. I had not heard of that one, it'll be a big help.

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    quasymody

    • 18/Oct/2013 09:02:33

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] I'm impressed!...thanks for the tip...might see how it works with a few items in my too hard basket.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 18/Oct/2013 09:07:37

    1866 - Fire on board, scuttled in Sirius Cove - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13145241 and trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63513264 1889 - Wrecked near Newcastle, UK (renamed the LUMBERMAN'S LADDIE [sic] ) - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13712111 [http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifeasdaddy] [http:[email protected]] Indeedy!

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    pellethepoet

    • 18/Oct/2013 09:08:17

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifeasdaddy] [http:[email protected]/] It also works on other browsers. Go to Google Images and click on the camera icon in the search box, then paste the image url. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] This is what happens when you try it on your buddy icon beachcomber - www.google.com.au/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZit4oC6p1QTN8eD56_1P... It's all your nieces and nephews! :)

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 18/Oct/2013 09:26:16

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet] I demand a DNA test!

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 18/Oct/2013 10:27:06

    Either Google have improved their algorithm or this is something of a lucky strike, for whenever I've tried that in the past it has failed miserably. That said, I think where it does work is where there is the exact same image (or a derivative, crop etc) somewhere out there. You only have to look at what it suggests for 'visually similar images' on this one to see what I mean! But whichever way, always worth a shot.

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    whatsthatpicture

    • 18/Oct/2013 10:27:49

    As an aside, at first glance this image reminded me of one of mine, though I guess ca 1900 shots of British sailing ships in Australian harbours are not exactly rare ... [http:[email protected]/3731238863/]

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    pellethepoet

    • 18/Oct/2013 10:54:01

    John Duthie postcard, Brodie Collection, La Trobe Picture Collection, State Library of Victoria [H99.220/151] - handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/13912

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    ART NAHPRO

    • 18/Oct/2013 15:24:01

    Good work.

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 18/Oct/2013 21:12:57

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet] That SLV Brodie version is interesting with its marked "JOHN DUTHIE" on the print just below the foreground (forewater?) rowboat. They must be copies of different copies, although with a similar oval frame. I demand another DNA test!

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    Australian National Maritime Museum on The Commons

    • 20/Oct/2013 22:16:01

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/miniop] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture] Yippee thanks folks! This image seems to pop up in several collections - & here's a brief bio of JOHN DUTHIE in The Argus in 1934. I'm afraid we can't assist with the DNA testing, perhaps try a daytime talk show?

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    Fraser P

    • 20/Oct/2013 23:58:42

    Google image search can work miracles on postcards or other mass produced items where other copies are likely to exist. It's far less reliable (in fact almost useless) for unique photos from a personal collection, unless it's of a very famous subject or a classic much-copied viewpoint which looks almost identical to other versions. Even then though, small variations in composition or colour can render the search hopeless. Always worth a try though!

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 22/Oct/2013 11:42:31

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] "Lumberman's Laddie" went aground on Haisborough Sands off the Norfolk coast. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haisborough_Sands The village Happisburgh is pronounced Haisborough. The crew were rescued by the "Ann Webster" and landed at North Shields on the Tyne. I have modified the electronic translation on trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13712111 That Google Image Search feature was introduced with Google Chrome 30 a few weeks ago.

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    Australian National Maritime Museum on The Commons

    • 22/Oct/2013 23:02:13

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/fraserpettigrew] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach] Thanks folks - we have experiemented with Google Image Search a few times in the past - but it does seem to be working more effectively lately :)

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 23/Oct/2013 09:08:34

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach] Thanks for the extra information, and indeed for the initial heads-up about Google Images. It will be interesting to see what else crops up with this new tool. Have been trying to find a date for the photo - I was thinking 1870s, but maybe it is earlier, in 1865, because of this, a real Ripping Yarn! -

    While the clipper ship John Duthie, from Aberdeen, was lying at Circular Quay, in Sydney Harbour on May 13, 1865, a son was born to the wife of the master (Captain Phillips). On Saturday [28/10/1933] Captain John Duthie Sydney Phillips arrived in Melbourne on board the Burns, Philp steamer Marella, with an interesting story of his long association with the sea and the proud boast that he had "never been away from salt water." It was the custom in the Duthie line for all masters to carry their wives and families on board their sailing ships wherever they went. The Duthie brothers, of Aberdeen, who have all been ship masters themselves, expected each captain to make his home on board his command and enjoy what little comfort he could on the long, arduous voyages to all parts of the world So it was when the John Duthie arrived at Sydney from London in 1865, and until his father died at sea off the Tasmanian coast three years later, young John Duthie Sydney Phillips played on the deck with spars and ropes or slept to the sighing of the wind in the tall rigging. ... ... ...
    From The Argus, 30/10/1933 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11706126 EDIT - Birth confirmed by trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13112915?searchTerm=%2... Captain John Duthie Sydney Phillips died in 1945 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/56436864
    ASHES SCATTERED ON HARBOUR The Harbour Master, Captain F Murchison, yesterday [8/11/1945] scattered the ashes of the late Captain JDS Phillips on the waters of the harbour on the west side of Circular Quay Captain Murchison was guided in selecting the place by an old photograph showing the sailing ship John Duthie, in which Captain Phillips was born in 1865, at its moorings. Captain Phillips asked in his will that this ceremony be performed.
    From SMH, 9/11/1945 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17959144 How's that for a good story to go with the photo? Thanks to Trove!

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 23/Oct/2013 21:59:26

    1901 Article about Captain JDS Phillips with photo - Sydney Mail, 7/12/1901 - news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1302&dat=19011207&...

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    Australian National Maritime Museum on The Commons

    • 23/Oct/2013 22:21:58

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Wow! Looking at the photo anew - a lovely lifelong connection for Captain Phillips to both Circular Quay and the vessel. I feel a blog coming on... [Ps is he sitting on a backward-facing chair in that photo? How saucy!]

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    arrynorm

    • 14/Dec/2016 18:13:16

    The Duthie Shipyards page may be in error. I don't think that looks like an iron hulled ship. The Edwards Collection lists her as the wooden ship John Duthie... collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+1373/3/1 And the Aberdeen Maritime Museum's "Aberdeen Built Ships" describes her as wooden. www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=99585

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    pellethepoet

    • 14/Dec/2016 19:20:03

    I see the Aberdeen Maritime Museum have this image in the form of a postcard in their collection which they date as 1867 - www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=37504&shipid=...

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    beachcomberaustralia

    • 14/Dec/2016 21:13:47

    [https:[email protected]] Tried unsuccessfully to find a reference in Trove; often they used to describe a new ship arriving in Sydney in very full detail. But I did find this ...

    Captain Phillips, of the John Duthie, from London to this port, has on board a very valuable collection of animals, consisting of twelve deer, two pointer dogs from Lord Audley's stock, five cashmere goats from Her Majesty's flock, and a very fine Alderney cow.*
    Last para at trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/63512803/5408600# 16/2/1866 * - To be sung to The Twelve Days of Christmas !

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    arrynorm

    • 15/Dec/2016 08:10:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet] And so our songbook begins. Merry Christmas folks.

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    quasymody

    • 15/Dec/2016 12:08:55

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] (!)